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isjois I'm a Fan of isjois 8 fans permalink As to autism...REALLY, are you REALLY going to send me off to Neurologica and Science Based Medicine?!? We've interacted before and I've read numerous articles and writings from these "sources". It's shocking that they still cannot tell us what is causing autism - "in their opinion". For fun, I did just pull up Neurologica again and while the blogger is going on about the swine flu pandemic and dystonia - autism's "cause" is not highlighted.
No, I'm not asking to be redirected around the internet. I would really like for you or Josephius to tell us why so many kids are disabled today - or chronically ill with the conditions I mentioned in my original comment. You come across as well read - I'd like you to read your response. I'd like to hear your scientific findings.
And...don't claim "genetic conditions" or "improved diagnostic methods"...we don't have autism and allergies a generation back in our family tree. We do have them now - with my children's generation. I'd like someone who is exonerating vaccines to tell us - if vaccines don't cause autism and allergies (learning disabilities, asthma) - what does?
It is insulting that posters are minimizing the side effects of vaccines...when some of us are living with dramatic consequences of a largely untested and bloated vaccination program.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-gordon/a-national-emergency-no-a_b_336417.html?show_comment_id=33679109#comment_33679109No, I'm not asking to be redirected around the internet. I would really like for you or Josephius to tell us why so many kids are disabled today - or chronically ill with the conditions I mentioned in my original comment. You come across as well read - I'd like you to read your response. I'd like to hear your scientific findings.
And...don't claim "genetic conditions" or "improved diagnostic methods"...we don't have autism and allergies a generation back in our family tree. We do have them now - with my children's generation. I'd like someone who is exonerating vaccines to tell us - if vaccines don't cause autism and allergies (learning disabilities, asthma) - what does?
It is insulting that posters are minimizing the side effects of vaccines...when some of us are living with dramatic consequences of a largely untested and bloated vaccination program.
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See, there's no need for direct insults.
isjois: "It's shocking that they [science] still cannot tell us what is causing autism."
sheldon101: Science can't explain schizophrenia either..
isjois: It's shocking that they [science] still cannot tell us what is causing autism.
sheldon101: They're trying. Some autism has a genetic component..
isjois: Vaccines cause autism.
sheldon101: Doesn't follow from current science.
isjois: Vaccines cause autism.
sheldon101: Research studies didn't find a link.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harvey-karp/cracking-the-autism-riddl_b_213730.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harvey-karp/cracking-the-autism-riddl_b_219160.html
isjois: What about other vaccines? Vaccines cause autism.
sheldon101: http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=1136
isjois: Until Science can completely explain the causes of autism, vaccines cause autism,.vaccines cause autism..
sheldon101: Russell's teapot analogy applies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot . http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/
Flu vaccination: It's safe, effective and morally correct.
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Sheldon -
ReplyDeleteDo you really have so much free time on your hands - that you choose to talk about me? And - if you're going to talk about me - at least take efforts to be honest and not "misquote" me. Please provide a link - where I say "vaccines cause autism".
If you want vaccines exonerated and the link between them and autism eliminated - why not spend your time fighting for comprehensive research into the topic?
Instead, you waste time on your blog talking about me. My crime - having vaccine damaged children and asking for informed consent to prevent other people from living with the daily challenges we face.
Isjois
To Isjois:
ReplyDeleteIf you've got vaccine damaged kids and are in the US, go to the vaccine court process, where they'll bend over backward to give out money.
But almost certainly you don't. You've got kids with problems that science and medicine haven't figured out. That's rotten and awful and I'm sorry about it.
Crap happens. My brother has ALS, can't speak and needs a feeding tube. Why? Science doesn't know. Maybe it's becauuse of the cowpox vaccine he had as a child.
Yeah, right.......
The idea that vaccines were linked with autism was bizarre and ridiculous from the start. It was the supremely unethical Andrew Wakefield that really got that going.
Despite it being ridiculous, many excellentstudies were done on MMR and thimerosal for the public health reason that this idiocy could result in a lowering of vaccination rates below the herd immunity level and thus have diseases such as measles start killing again. That's what happened in the UK.
Your very comment shows that my refrain is correct because you keep calling for research even though it already has been done.
Legal matters are never easy. Nobody parts easily with money, incl. vaccine court. Many victims are intimidated by the process, expense and time commitment. Unfortunately, most doctors aren't trained to handle vaccine reactions - so victims often lack sufficient tests and physician notes to prove their case. Still victims - just not compensated.
ReplyDeletePhysicians have confirmed my children are vaccine damaged. Reports have been filed with VAERS. While doctors may be struggling to find the right treatments, there is no question about cause.
I appreciate your apology. Sorry about your brother. You may be onto something with the smallpox shot. My stepdad had a malignant tumor removed from his vaccination site. Complications happen - even if they don't present for years.
Pharma admits in their inserts that vaccine side effects occur. Perhaps they have been leary to list some of the more severe, but remember - doctors used to say smoking was good for us too!
Regarding studies, there have been none to examine the side effects of our current vaccination schedule, as it's administered. Specific vaccines may have been tested on healthy controls; however, testing has not involved those with pre-existing health issues. Look at the following link for more info - (http://www.fourteenstudies.org/)
You're wise enough to admit you don't have all the answers. Keep looking and don't succumb to talking points. While many believe vaccines are good, drill down and look at the details - there is much to be concerned about. If you've advocated for vaccines, guilt is never necessary - just course correct, so more people aren't hurt by misinformation or lack of informed consent.
PS - Insulting you is of no interest to me.
Isjois
Sheldon! I started Countering because I couldn't get anything on at AoA and had almost as hard a time getting it on at Huff. :-) Rarely, though, have the anti-vaxxers followed me to my blog, though.
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That might be because they are trying to convert you, though.
ReplyDeleteWe're all adults - Sheldon is free to make his own decisions.
ReplyDeleteMy belief is in informed consent and I fear that many on the pro-vaccine side have abandoned this concept - one that should be protected, as a patient's right. Why so many want to blindly believe those creating and distributing drugs that are making some people very wealthy is mind-blowing...
Pehaps it's easier to deny that a pharmaceutical caused permanent harm - than to deal with the reality of having to live a life questioning those you've always trusted. Well - there are also those with financial incentives to push vaccines. Largely though, I believe many are misinformed or afraid to finger Pharma out of fear that they are personally somehow guilty too. As a parent of vaccine damaged children, I now realize that I allowed them to be vaccinated in good conscience - based on the available information that their shots would leave them healthier. Now, knowing that their shots permanently damaged them, I realize that all guilt rests with Pharma and any others aware of the harm these products cause.
ReplyDeleteIt's never too late to realize that there is no such thing as a coincidence. Everything happens for a reason. Isjois
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ReplyDeleteOn my planet, I'm driving my elderly parents on a green light through an intersection. The road past the intersection is only 2 lanes and there is a very,very steep downgrade.
ReplyDeleteSuddenly, the car is hit on the drivers side at the rear quarter panel by a pickup truck going through the red and the car spins sideways. I and my parents are shaken up. The car is written off.
If I'd gone through the intersection a 10th of a second later and I'm injured by the direct force. My parents are injured because the car can't spin and use up the force.
If I'd gone through the intersection a 10th of a second earlier and I wouldn't have known anything was wrong.
The same is true of the driver of the pickup truck--who sped away.
According to you, someone/something/somehow it was decided/directed that this precise outcome would occur AND that there was a reason for this particular outcome.
Yeah, right.
"Pehaps it's easier to deny that a pharmaceutical caused permanent harm - than to deal with the reality of having to live a life questioning those you've always trusted. "
ReplyDelete------------------hilariously wrong ----------
Drugs of all types kill. Every now and then a vaccine kills. That isn't the issue.
You've got it wrong. Being able to blame some external agency such as the government or BIG PHARMA or vaccines for your having a kid with ASD takes away any blame the parent might feel for - their genetics or how they raised the child.
That feeling of relief comes at a huge cost to everyone else. The child is now likely to be treated with unproved and dangerous remedies. And everyone else is told, falsely, that vaccines are to blame --- the result this fall and winter will be dead children.
That's a terrrible price you make everyone else pay so you can feel better.